So the same with the H20 illustration. So the doctrine of the Trinity is simply the attempt of the early fathers to make explicit what in scripture is implicit. It may be counter-intuitive, but we can still grasp it. Although early Christian theologians speculated in many wayson the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, no one clearly and fully assertedthe doctrine of the Trinity as explained at the top of the main entryuntil around the end of the so-called Arian Controversy. Kevin Harris: Dr. Craig, from time to time we not only respond to questions that people send us but we respond to various criticisms that we might encounter on the web or that we receive in various ways. Transcript Is There a Good Analogy for the Trinity? Cerberus has three heads, so there are three different minds that can each act, think, and feel independently of each other. 3 – The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are distinct persons. It is not perfect (no analogy can be), but it opens a window for us to contemplate the Trinity. How can we reduce it down? Kevin Harris: Philosophy helps us to fill in some gaps, though, that perhaps Scripture doesn't specifically address? Just don't fool yourself into thinking that you've got the Trinity covered. I don't think of it as providing analogies for the Trinity. Is there any merit to that criticism? Other bad analogies. Dr. Craig: Well, I would say that's silly. The best one is the Shield of Athanasius, also known as the Scutum fidei , “the Shield of Faith,” precisely because it doesn’t address the functional economy at all! Three in one comparisons. But what I would ask the genuine seeker after truth, here, to look at is to say that we're not providing an analogy to the Trinity, we're not providing an analogy to God. But it helps us to make progress toward understanding certain affirmations of the Trinity. But Scripture is under-determinative with respect to how you understand eternity. Now in the Florida Veritas Forum I think I spoke too quickly in saying this is an analogy of the Trinity. Kevin Harris: I also want to mention that twice now Dr. White has made intimations that on our podcast we put philosophy over the Word of God. It is not really correct to say that the three Persons of the Trinity are ‘parts’ of God—see also Is God ‘simple’? Yet we look to the heavens and hold expectations of God. So how can we relay this point? In response to hearing of the doctrine of the trinity, people may pose the question, “but how could God be both three and one?” That is a clear contradiction, so how could that be so? It is only like that because you are the one explaining it and you are overcomplicating it. So ultimately Cerberus, though it gets you some direction toward the Trinity, it ultimately falls short. What is a good analogy for the trinity? The problem with this analogy is that an egg yoke is of a very different substance than a shell. Kevin Harris: And you would say that there are no perfect or dead on accurate analogies or even illustrations that completely capture it. But it is not an accurate explanation of the Triune God because it portrays Modalism. They're just truths which have been previously unrevealed. Stop overcomplicating everything. This analogy denies the unity of the God-head. 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