FACT: Jesus Himself lived by these oral traditions. QUESTION: OK, so let me make sure that I understood. One is a follow-up on biblical inerrancy and how that is authoritative. Matthew 23: 1-3: “Then Jesus spoke to the crowds and to His disciples, saying, ‘The scribes and the Pharisees have taken their seat on the chair of Moses. Also, in his Epistle to the Philadelphians 3:2-4:1, which says: “Take care, then who belong to God and to Jesus Christ – they are with the bishop. QUESTION: Yes. June 3, 2016. . Sola scriptura means that Scripture alone is authoritative for the faith and practice of the Christian. Why Is Sola Scriptura Unreasonable?Protestants believe the Bible is the only source for determining Christian truth. Through countryside and city they preached; and they appointed their earliest converts, testing them by the Spirit, to be the bishops and deacons of future believers.”. MODERATOR: Almost like calling Jesus “the Son of David” in a sense. I think it's baloney but it seems to be an idea that some people are embracing just because it's an explanation without being an explanation. You said “his previous knowledge of how you will pray.” I'm talking about a very special kind of knowledge. It was quasi-clear so I was hoping you would give me an explanation. As difficult a reality as it may be for some to face, this foundational doctrine of Protestantism did not originate until the 14 th century and did not become widespread until the 16h century – a far, far cry time-wise from the teachings of Jesus Christ and His Apostles. One therefore must assume that this same authority was also possessed by those who held the “chair of Moses” before them — the ones who decided which Old Testament books were Divinely-inspired, etc. The question is: Does God know how we would act in any situation in which he might put us? But that distinction is time-sensitive. . Wherever the bishop appears, let the people be there; just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.”. Let’s examine the facts: FACT: There is nothing in Scripture teaching that “Scripture alone” is all-sufficient for the Christian Faith. Reverence the deacons as you would the command of God. They're called counterfactuals because typically what they envision is not factual. On Apostolic succession, 1 Clement 42:1-4 reads: “The Apostles received the Gospel for us from the Lord Jesus Christ; and Jesus Christ was sent by God. So no matter if God is outside of time or not, he would in all his knowledge know that I'm going to pray, and he decided based on his previous knowledge of the fact I will pray tomorrow? Is His Church guided less by the living Spirit of God than the Jewish people who preceded it? For to the high priest (e.g. Rather, it is strictly an oral Tradition. I think that prayer changes things. It wouldn't mean the Bible is not inerrant. QUESTION: The other question I had was I'd like to know your opinion on God's relationship with time and how that impacts the way we see prayer and how we relate to prayer. So one would never be justified in believing such a thing. Even if the world, as the video says, is a projection of my brain – that I am all that exists – nevertheless that still cries out for some explanation. I'm thinking of the passages in the Bible that said that God actually commanded them to kill and all that. What's New. The second-order claim (sola scriptura) denies that public revelation is found outside of Scripture after God ceased to disclose himself orally or textually to and for believers in general. So maybe John wrote the Gospel and then later on he thought, Oh, I forgot about this story, and in the second edition he included it in. I'd say yes. MODERATOR: God's relationship to time and how that relates to prayer. I think Descartes is absolutely right in saying that it's impossible to deny one's own existence because in denying that you exist you affirm that you exist. QUESTION: Depending upon who you ask or who you talk to, you'll find out the Earth is so many years old. I don't want to take our time now going into it, but look at what I've said there and see if it doesn't make sense of this. For example, it is recorded in the Midrash Rabbah: “They made for him (Moses) a chair like that of the advocates, in which one sits and yet seems to be standing.” (Exodus Rabbah 43:4). So I'd invite you just to look at that and ponder what I say there and see if it doesn't remove the inconsistency. [1]           https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1bEOjWyrP2U (accessed July 22, 2019). The Bible is complete, authoritative, and true. [applause]. [26] The Advocate, the Holy Spirit that the Father will send in my name — He will teach you everything and remind you of all that I told you …. . It means he's in the lineage of David not necessarily, in that case clearly not, “the son of.” Besides all that, there's a separate question of how old the Earth is and how old the cosmos is and so on. We just don't know. No two people agree. A: To the entire Church as well, as evidenced in 14:16 (…to be with you always), 17 (He remains with you and will be in you), and John 17:20-21, which continues this Last Supper discourse: “I pray not only for them (i.e., the Apostles), but also for those who will believe in me through their word (i.e., the whole Church), so that they may be one, as You, Father, are in me and I in You, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that You sent me.”. It therefore follows that we have a continuation of Christian Tradition: a Tradition which never included a doctrine of Sola Scriptura (Scripture alone). In principle and practice, divine revelation can be oral as well as written. Maybe it was in a second edition of the Gospel of John. I think that's a good philosophy for anyone whether they believe the Bible or not. Catholic Church placed church tradition on equal ground with Scripture, and the Protestant reformers affirmed sola – only – Scripture. DR. CRAIG: I think that that's philosophically absurd. I think that we would never have good reason for believing such a hypothesis. There is no ongoing revelation … PROPOSITION: Did the bishops of the early Church consider their teaching authority to be guided and protected by the Holy Spirit for the good of the Church? Is that kind of what you are saying? Among these are 1 Corinth 10:4 (in which the rock in the desert is said to “follow” the Children of Israel under Moses…something not recorded in Scripture, but found only in Jewish oral Tradition, even to this day) and Jude 9 and Jude 14 (in which the Apostle cites extra-Scriptural Traditions about Michael and Satan fighting over Moses’ body, and conveys a prophecy from Enoch …neither of which are found in the OT Scriptures). 3. [laughter]. It seems as if the demise of sola Scriptura has been highly exaggerated. …And by a Church which clearly accepted both Scripture and oral Tradition as the rule of Faith. MODERATOR: Let me restate the question to make sure that we're following it. The Catholic Church’s assumption of supreme authority in Christendom relies heavily on her contention that Christendom needs one…that without a visible, religious establishment divinely mandated to accurately interpret Scripture … MODERATOR: I want to open the floor for questions. And they go, Sure. Therefore, we bring even the statements of Ecumenical Councils before the bar of Scripture. You may know this, but for those of you that don't, there's real problems with trying to add up the age of man alone, never mind the Earth or the cosmos, based on genealogies. And I've had people admit to me that, I know that if I admit God's real or that the Bible's true that God's going to want to change my sex life or he's going to want to change this or that. The layman is bound by the ordinances for the laity. After preaching both in the east and west, he gained the illustrious reputation due to his faith, having taught righteousness to the whole world, and come to the extreme limit of the west, and suffered martyrdom under the prefects.”. Scripture alone is authoritative in faith and practice. The phrase Sola Scriptura doesn’t appear in the Bible, therefore the Roman Catholic paradigm is true”. If we accept there are some errors in the Bible then how is that authoritative in our lives? Is it reasonable to believe the Christians should rely on the Bible alone as it’s sole authority? Sola Scriptura teológiai szakfolyóirat. It is not a claim that all truth of every kind is found in Scripture. May God be glorified as we reclaim the mind for Christ. Can I just be really honest with you? It would mean that we might have an erroneous view of God. The idea that the Scribes and Pharisees (i.e., “the fathers of Israel”) were the direct successors of Moses’ authority is stated nowhere in Old Testament Scripture; yet He Who is the Word of God tells us this based on oral Tradition. QUESTION: But it is not consistent in the passages. 3. Apostolic succession; and 3. the Eucharist as a Sacrifice. Peter and Paul’s ministries in Rome; 2. FACT: Christ calls the Holy Spirit “the Spirit of Truth” (John 14:17, 16:13). 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